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See, it didn't take so long this time even though it's the longest chapter yet. Oy, is it long. But THRILLS, THRILLS, THRILLS!

As always, bottomless appreciation to my wonderful betas [livejournal.com profile] kuriatdalmatia and [livejournal.com profile] lux_apollo whose care and love awe me. I don't know if you even understand just how much your help means to me.

Here's the chapter!

Here's the DOB homepage for earlier chapters!

Please use the link at the end of the chapter to come back here and comment.

Date: 2006-11-09 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayumie.livejournal.com
Oh. Oooh. That was beautiful. And very well balanced.
I love the way you portray John, as being both romantic and realistic. It rings absolutely true. And the slow growth of his powers with its unexpected outburst - perfect.

The Bobby parts are great. The training session with Scott and Storm and the flag made me laugh out loud. And I like the idea of Bobby having a crush in Scott and coming to terms (more or less anyway) with liking guys before he really gets to know John.

After these first chapters the fic feels like a very well set stage. I've even grown fond of Andi. I guess it is too early to ask when the next part will be ready?

Date: 2006-11-10 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
"More or less" indeed. I don't think he's anywhere near coming to terms with same-sex attraction but our sexualities don't usually offer us much choice, do they? It's more like, "YOU ARE ATTRACTED! SHUT UP!"

Next chapter? It's going well, especially since the first scene was originally written for chapter 5 but I have to get a good handle on the action for the next three chapters because they are something of an arc.

Before Christmas sounds good.

Thanks for reading.

Date: 2006-11-09 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
So happy you updated!!! Keep it up!!!

Date: 2006-11-09 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nat-dimension.livejournal.com
It just keeps getting better and better. As my English Lit teachers are always saying, the most well-written works are the hardest to deconstruct, and I certainly find that with this piece. For the love of god (and my sanity), keep writing. In the mean time, I'll be writing essay assignments so difficult that I'm considering having my teacher's sadistic tendencies professionally evaluated.

Date: 2006-11-10 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
SMEnglit.

I have a degree of in Eng Lit! I couldn't read a novel for three years after I finished!

I wonder how this novel will stand up to deconstruction when it's done. It's my first novel, after all. I find, as I go along, that events which I considered random when I thought them up are actually forming clear themes and I'm noticing (after the fact) all the parallel scenes I'm writing. Chapter 6 begins and ends with characters leaving authority figures.

Thanks for reading.

Date: 2006-11-09 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mandlebars.livejournal.com
amazingness

best chappie I believe

Date: 2006-11-10 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
The chapter certainly has the most !!!!!!!! scenes so far. I was worried that it might be overburdened, but then I remembered that the reader can always say, "Whoa! Enough for today; I'll finish it tomorrow!"

Smart readers!

Thanks and nice use of negative space in your icon.

Date: 2006-11-10 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mandlebars.livejournal.com
I have a fascination with guns. |shrug|

Date: 2006-11-10 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acyid.livejournal.com
I liked it, especially the whole Scott thing that was cute. Nice one!

Date: 2006-11-10 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
awwwwwwwwww, crushlove. Poor Bobby!

Thanks for reading.

Date: 2006-11-10 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lux-apollo.livejournal.com
Yay, it's up!

Date: 2006-11-10 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
Thanks, in no small part, to you. Did you notice that I basically used your whole edit on Andi's humanitarian paragraph? Didja? Didja?

I hope you're doing okay. Dances with death are always very bittersweet for me. Remember that funerals of celebrations of that person's life and a chance to share memories of them with the living.

Speaking of "Dances with Death," do you know that cycle by Mussorgsky?

EDIT

Date: 2006-11-10 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
um, "..funerals ARE celebrations..." that should read.

Date: 2006-11-11 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lux-apollo.livejournal.com
I haven't had a chance to look. Maybe Sunday night.... I want to, just... too much going on right now.

Two deaths, a breakup and a cat-fight with an ex is just too much at once.

Date: 2006-11-11 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
Breakup?

Honey, I was seriously not suggesting you go and read the whole story again. I just wanted you to know that your edit was awesome.

Breakup?

Date: 2006-11-11 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lux-apollo.livejournal.com
I'll talk about it later. I can't even think straight right now.

Date: 2006-11-10 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] judas-denied.livejournal.com
Brilliant as always. I sit around just waiting for you to post the link to each new chapter and it is always a delight to read what you have to offer. Things are really starting to get interesting now. That dream John had was just brilliant. Had to be my favorite part of the whole chapter and that's saying something because I loved every word. Andi is great, too.

*anxiously waits for more*

Date: 2006-11-10 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
Thank you for mentioning the dream. It was cracky and fun and portentous. In the first draft, the dream woman seemed distractingly like Emma Frost which was NOT my intention. So I edited that in a hurry.

More on its way but I have tough betas and I like to polish a lot.

Date: 2006-11-13 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lux-apollo.livejournal.com
*pouts*

And I thought Emma was everyone's dream woman.

Date: 2006-11-14 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
Sorry, just don't have a handle on her and don't need the complications! I like her, especially as Joss writes her. The white lingerie, naturally, does nothing for me. Especially after Labour Day.

Also...

Date: 2006-11-14 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
Are all your characters obsessed with ice cream?

Re: Also...

Date: 2006-11-14 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lux-apollo.livejournal.com
No. I just thought of Emma immediately when I saw that pic. So I made it into an icon.

Date: 2006-11-10 10:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nexusofcrisis.livejournal.com
Always worth the wait. Very intense chapter this time around. I liked your take on Pyro's early burglary years, and roasting the gang leader was a nice touch. Altogetner just a fun read.

Date: 2006-11-10 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
Keever's gang is more about dealing crack than burglary, but yeah. It interested me to discover (which is how I usually think of writing) that John was not active in gang activities but was using his, ahem, charms to give himself his special place. This will play a role later in his time with the Brotherhood.

I'm glad you fun reading! Reading without fun is like, uh, school.

Date: 2006-11-13 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lux-apollo.livejournal.com
Hmm... That is interesting. I wonder how that will play out as you write.

Date: 2006-11-14 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
You'll be the first to know, won't you!

Date: 2006-11-10 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] forty-licks.livejournal.com
OOOOOO as exciting as allways! Just what we needed in this fandom drought! This icon expresses such joy ;P

Date: 2006-11-10 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
Is there a fandom drought? There's more out there than I have time to read I thought! I'm currently reading "Spiral", "FDOE", "Elemental" (oh wait, that's not Bobby/John) and I know I'm missing other good ones! Any recs?

Of course, until [livejournal.com profile] to_cry_about gets back to "The Heart's Landscape", the universe will be out of joint. And, for that matter, where are more of Ashe's "Disequalibreum" and Domenica's "Acts of Contrition"?

I have seen that icon before and it makes me all kinds of happy.

Date: 2006-11-10 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] forty-licks.livejournal.com
Recs hmmm depends what pairing your after! I think ive exauasted the fandom :S cant find anything new and long (that im willing to read. By jove there's some shit about!) And im writing a novella at the moment, so look out of that in a bit :D

Date: 2006-11-11 05:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
yay a new chapter! so good! i liked the contrast of bobby’s disillusionment with his relationship with scott and john disillusionment with keever. im so glad that he left keever i hated that guy (which means you wrote his character wonderfully!). i hope john doesn't get into too much trouble before he makes it to xavier's school. yay! i can't wait to read more!

Date: 2006-11-11 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evil-lillith.livejournal.com
opps! that was me i forgot to sign in!

Date: 2006-11-11 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
John's not good at avoiding trouble, I'm afraid.

Yeah, some of the parallels in the chapter only occurred to me as I was writing. I don't know if I ever wrote Keever's age, but it's the same as Scott's.

Thanks for reading.

Review

Date: 2006-11-12 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inkwick.livejournal.com
Ah, a long fanfiction novel that is 1)about Bobby and John 2)Readable and 3)Not an mpreg. Finding the Holy Grail should be cake now.

Despite the rather angsty themes running through it, I had an obscene amount of fun reading this fic. Giddy, giggly, "oooo! I want to use ones in my review!" sort of happy, and it feels good, man. Real good. I do think that some of the dialogue in chapter 6 is a little cliche. "I thought you loved me," things like that. It's not that much of a problem, because while it's cliche, it's cliche because it's realistic. It threw me out of the flow of the story a little, my mind groaning a little when I read it, but it wasn't hard to dive back in with your wonderful characterizations of both boys. That's one of my favorite things about this story- how well you portray both Bobby and John. While they may not be exactly what we know from canon, they are similar people who have amazing depth. I was a little apprehensive of a story that had Pyro cast as boy-toy for a drug lord and Bobby caught in a screwed up family, but I was thrilled when I found myself hungrily searching out the 'next' button after every chapter. I felt hurt and bereft when we met Jean, and I felt empowered and delightfully chilled when John charred Nykkotine (excuse me if I spelled it incorrectly).

You managed to suck me in, though some of the plot raises a speculative eyebrow. I can't wait for the next chapter! Very good work!

Re: Review

Date: 2006-11-13 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lux-apollo.livejournal.com
Hmm... I dunno about the cliche'd dialogue. I mean, John is a serious romantic in this story, and Bobby is such an idealist that it's hard for him not to be a romantic.

Re: Review

Date: 2006-11-14 01:40 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, what you mentioned does certainly play into it, but I stand by what I said. Still panting for the next installment, though!

Re: Review

Date: 2006-11-14 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inkwick.livejournal.com
That was me, as you probably guessed. I always forget to log in >.

Re: Review

Date: 2006-11-14 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
Ha! John as conscious romantic, Bobby as involuntary romantic. Nice!

Re: Review

Date: 2006-11-14 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
Thanks for the thoughtful comments.

Hmm, I may not have got the "I thought you loved me" moment right. John would never say that under normal circumstances. At that moment, after extreme emotional duress and feeling of abandonment, his powers go into overdrive and he enters what seems almost like a fugue state. He is totally emotionally detached from everything around him but the joy of the flame. When he says the line to Keever, he has no walls or artifice at all.

Then he collapses and "resets".

As to the boys departing from canon: I am endeavouring to make the characters completely true to what I saw in the movies. This is working better for Bobby than John. My John is definitely influenced by other writers in this fandom. If I had only ever seen the movie, John would be less of a romantic and not nearly as smart. His writing is a nod to comicsverse. Romance novels? Just wait.

The bad-ass Pyro we see emerge in X2 and flower in X3 is a new side of his personality which will develop when it must in my novel. The scene in X2 where he fries the police cars is very interesting. It's like he's trying on his merciless killer personality for the first time. I don't believe it's his default state at all.

Thanks for reading!

Date: 2006-11-13 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lux-apollo.livejournal.com
Some editing details...

"Professor Rotenberg was had been her teacher and mentor for five..."

"the Professor’s excellent Darjeeling tea served to some of the edge off Andi’s anxiety"

Otherwise? Well done!

Date: 2006-11-14 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
Fixed. Thanks.

Date: 2006-11-15 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryvellatin.livejournal.com
WOW! Love it, u should really really write more.

Date: 2006-11-15 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
I'm writing as fast as I can! Glad you're enjoying.

Date: 2007-01-03 02:07 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am totally in love with Johnny. Please continue to write about him. This is the best fan fiction I have ever read. PLEASE continue.

Date: 2007-01-03 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talktooloose.livejournal.com
I am currently forcing my readers through Johnny Deprivation Torture!! But it will all be worth it. Trust me. Like that cool drink of water at the end of the desert.

Is this Chris?

Date: 2007-01-07 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
yes, this was chris.

I am going to hold you to that.

Chris

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